welding indoors

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welding indoors

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Peter Fairbrother

2018-08-18 15:49:54 UTC

I want to do some welding indoors, stick and TIG, and want to build a
welding station. I have slightly dicky lungs, and need clean air.

Has anyone used a downdraught station? eg
http://www.airbench.com/grinding-dust-and-welding-fume-extraction/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIi_Cv1_H23AIVybTtCh2sagBGEAAYASAAEgI5X_D_BwE

Looks good, but I would worry about using extra argon when TIG welding.
I suppose you could turn it upside down then..

Anyone got any idea of a fan size/power requirement? More, speed control
- don't most fans have shaded pole motors? Can you vary their speed?

Any

Colin Docherty

2018-08-20 09:17:12 UTC

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Our welders ,working inside tanks used to swear by Airstream welding
helmets .This was a recomendation as they swore at everything else.

Technology has moved on since those days but just another way.

Regards Colin

Post by Peter Fairbrother
I want to do some welding indoors, stick and TIG, and want to build a
welding station. I have slightly dicky lungs, and need clean air.
Has anyone used a downdraught station? eg
http://www.airbench.com/grinding-dust-and-welding-fume-extraction/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIi_Cv1_H23AIVybTtCh2sagBGEAAYASAAEgI5X_D_BwE
Looks good, but I would worry about using extra argon when TIG welding.
I suppose you could turn it upside down then..
Anyone got any idea of a fan size/power requirement? More, speed control
- don't most fans have shaded pole motors? Can you vary their speed?
Any

Mike Perkins

2018-08-20 10:16:41 UTC

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I see no one else has answered about the fan motor.

I suspect small single phase fans are likely to be shaded pole.

Some form of voltage control will also control speed through increased
'slip' at reduced voltages.

You shouldn't use a conventional TRIAC dimmer style control as these
result in a small DC offset, which, depending on the motor DC
resistance, will cause internal heating. Something like a small variac
or tapped transformer would be best.

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Mark Rand

2018-08-22 22:07:08 UTC

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The original 1/2 horse motor ate its run capacitor and windings when the
capacitor's case got chewed through due to a lack of any mounting clips. I
replaced it with a 2hp 3ph motor and VFD because I had one... I added a Camfil
F9 grade filter after the dust extractor, which should cope with anything down
to 0.3 micron.

https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/hvac-air-filters/8802472/

I tested the setup with three dozen 3.2mm x 400mm 7018 rods and, while there
was a visible haze at the worst point, there was no discomfort at all, unlike
previous sessions.

For TIG work, if the material is clean (It's TIG, you need clean material!)
then the fume levels are insignificant compared with stick or even MIG.

If the heating/cooling bill or introduction of humidity don't get in the way,
then a downdraught table with out-door extraction is going to be a perfect
solution assuming it's got a variable speed for TIG and stick. It'll for nasty
paints as well. If it's recirculating, it might not be so good for spray
painting though.

Regards
Mark Rand

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RTFM

Peter Fairbrother

2018-10-12 18:01:32 UTC

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Haven't gotten round to thanking you all for the replies, especially
Mark for his extra-comprehensive reply, and I should have.

Thank you all.

I went a bit smaller, but with outside extraction - a six inch duct fan
(which is about 18" across, but never mind) does the job ok. I think
it's about 150W, but it doesn't have to push air through a filter, and I
suspect my working area is considerably smaller than Mark's...

Thanks once again,

Peter Fairbrother

Post by Mark Rand

Haven't used a downdraught station, but would have liked to (the two in the
grinding booth at the welding class at Northampton College were both broken
for the four terms I spent learning welding).
As a datum on fan power. a 500 cuft/min dust extractor typically has a half
horsepower motor. I've just finished modifying the ex-ebay dust extractor that
I've got to make it a bit better for welding and cutting oil smoke abatement:-
https://www.test-net.com/dust-extract1.jpg
https://www.test-net.com/dust-extract2.jpg
The original 1/2 horse motor ate its run capacitor and windings when the
capacitor's case got chewed through due to a lack of any mounting clips. I
replaced it with a 2hp 3ph motor and VFD because I had one... I added a Camfil
F9 grade filter after the dust extractor, which should cope with anything down
to 0.3 micron.
https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/hvac-air-filters/8802472/
I tested the setup with three dozen 3.2mm x 400mm 7018 rods and, while there
was a visible haze at the worst point, there was no discomfort at all, unlike
previous sessions.
For TIG work, if the material is clean (It's TIG, you need clean material!)
then the fume levels are insignificant compared with stick or even MIG.
If the heating/cooling bill or introduction of humidity don't get in the way,
then a downdraught table with out-door extraction is going to be a perfect
solution assuming it's got a variable speed for TIG and stick. It'll for nasty
paints as well. If it's recirculating, it might not be so good for spray
painting though.
Regards
Mark Rand

RustyHinge

2018-10-10 13:04:05 UTC

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Forget about the argon angle - it's an inert gas and cannot harm you -
unless you try to take it neat for a few minutes...

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Peter Fairbrother

2018-10-10 13:53:42 UTC

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Post by RustyHinge

Post by Peter Fairbrother
I want to do some welding indoors, stick and TIG, and want to build a
welding station. I have slightly dicky lungs, and need clean air.
Has anyone used a downdraught station? eg
http://www.airbench.com/grinding-dust-and-welding-fume-extraction/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIi_Cv1_H23AIVybTtCh2sagBGEAAYASAAEgI5X_D_BwE
Looks good, but I would worry about using extra argon when TIG
welding. I suppose you could turn it upside down then..

Forget about the argon angle - it's an inert gas and cannot harm you -
unless you try to take it neat for a few minutes...

It's the cost of the argon, not it's toxicity, which is the issue there.
Tain't cheap.

Peter Fairbrother