Adcock & Shipley

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:42:24 -0000, "Stuart Pearson"

Post by Stuart Pearson
Hello Gentleman
Do any of happen to have a manual for Adcock & Shipley 2AG, or failing this
an idea of its weight? I was meant to be having one delivered today but the
seller (I have just purchased it on ebay) says his hiab will not lift it.
This has left me with a few concerns as to how big this machine really is.
Needless to say any help would be very much apprecated.
Stuart

It's pretty damm heavy, I have a 2E and it probably goes nearly a ton.

Get the Hiab man to shorten the jib a bit, if the radius from the main
pivot is reduced a bit the weight picked up will increase.

Kind regards,

Peter

Peter Forbes
Prepair Ltd
Luton, UK
email: ***@easynet.co.uk
home: ***@easynet.co.uk

Stuart Pearson

2004-01-19 17:36:21 UTC

Thanks for that Peter, the gentleman with the HIAB is some what insistant
that it is more in the region on one and a half ton. Which seems very heavy
to me, would you be able to have a look at the machine on ebay and say if
you think it is a similar machine yours. The listing can be found at
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=632&item=2371679075

Kindest Regards,
Stuart

Post by Prepair Ltd
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:42:24 -0000, "Stuart Pearson"

It's pretty damm heavy, I have a 2E and it probably goes nearly a ton.
Get the Hiab man to shorten the jib a bit, if the radius from the main
pivot is reduced a bit the weight picked up will increase.
Kind regards,
Peter
Peter Forbes
Prepair Ltd
Luton, UK

Mark Rand

2004-01-19 19:56:48 UTC

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:36:21 -0000, "Stuart Pearson"

Post by Stuart Pearson
Thanks for that Peter, the gentleman with the HIAB is some what insistant
that it is more in the region on one and a half ton. Which seems very heavy
to me, would you be able to have a look at the machine on ebay and say if
you think it is a similar machine yours. The listing can be found at
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=632&item=2371679075
Kindest Regards,
Stuart

The obvious thing to do is to remove the arm, the arbour, the table, the knee
and possibly the motor. hopefully the individual bits will be easily liftable
with the HIAB. putting it back together could probably be done with a good
engine hoist and a lot of ingenuity/wood blocks.

Good price ;-)>

Mark Rand
RTFM

Peter A Forbes

2004-01-19 21:19:30 UTC

Post by Mark Rand
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:36:21 -0000, "Stuart Pearson"

Jesus! looks like he photographed it down a cellar with the lights out!! :-))

After a liberal dose of Paint Shop Pro I can see that it is very close to our
machine. We took the table off (four studs/bolts in the centre of the table, 2
in front and 2 at back) and lifted the table off, the drive for the power feed
runs up the middle of the knee IIRC, so it was quite an easy bit to take off.
The ram is another chunk as is the support casting.

I have a copy manual somewhere here that was kindly supplied by A. N. Other
cynical trader, (NOT J.S. for the record) I'll ferret it out and check to see
what weight is quoted if any.

.... and there is nought.

However, I do have a 1ES copy manual, and that quotes the smaller and lighter
1ES at 870kg to 936kg depending on model and equipment fitted, so you can reckon
that the 2ES is going to be 5cwt or so more than that, so your man might be
closer than we think... :-)) I don't think 1.5 tons, but certainly just over
the ton and a bit.

Peter

John Stevenson

2004-01-20 01:34:37 UTC

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:19:30 +0000 (UTC), Peter A Forbes

Post by Peter A Forbes
I have a copy manual somewhere here that was kindly supplied by A. N. Other
cynical trader, (NOT J.S. for the record) I'll ferret it out and check to see
what weight is quoted if any.
.... and there is nought.
However, I do have a 1ES copy manual, and that quotes the smaller and lighter
1ES at 870kg to 936kg depending on model and equipment fitted, so you can reckon
that the 2ES is going to be 5cwt or so more than that, so your man might be
closer than we think... :-)) I don't think 1.5 tons, but certainly just over
the ton and a bit.
Peter

I shifted that 2E from the college move and I reckon it went in at about a
ton and a quarter, definitely over 1 ton.
A big problem with Hiabs is the operator, they stick the boom out and
expect it lift everything going.
The main lift in a hiab is the first ram / jib assembly, you need to get
this as vertical as possible to get the radius from the post to the end of
the first jib as short as possible.
Instead of operating with the boom stuck out you need to get the jibs in an
inverted vee shape or '^' for max lift.
Hiabs are rated in tons lift but not so apparent is the rating which is one
metre from the post so a 7 ton hiab will lift 7 tons at one metre,. Most
times not a lot of good as one metre is usually still inboard the truck
given that usual truck widths are 8'

The 2E from Beeston college went to a local company near here. Most of the
machines from that move had all the manuals and documentation with them.
If this was the case with the 2E then the book will have gone direct to the
owner, I only moved the machine.
I can check during the week and if they have these I'm sure I can borrow
them for scanning.

--
Regards,

John Stevenson
Nottingham, England.

Stuart Pearson

2004-01-21 14:53:08 UTC

Post by John Stevenson
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:19:30 +0000 (UTC), Peter A Forbes

I shifted that 2E from the college move and I reckon it went in at about a
ton and a quarter, definitely over 1 ton.
A big problem with Hiabs is the operator, they stick the boom out and
expect it lift everything going.
The main lift in a hiab is the first ram / jib assembly, you need to get
this as vertical as possible to get the radius from the post to the end of
the first jib as short as possible.
Instead of operating with the boom stuck out you need to get the jibs in an
inverted vee shape or '^' for max lift.
Hiabs are rated in tons lift but not so apparent is the rating which is one
metre from the post so a 7 ton hiab will lift 7 tons at one metre,. Most
times not a lot of good as one metre is usually still inboard the truck
given that usual truck widths are 8'
The 2E from Beeston college went to a local company near here. Most of the
machines from that move had all the manuals and documentation with them.
If this was the case with the 2E then the book will have gone direct to the
owner, I only moved the machine.
I can check during the week and if they have these I'm sure I can borrow
them for scanning.

That would be great if you do not mind. Any infomation would be most
apprecated.

Post by John Stevenson
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Regards,
John Stevenson
Nottingham, England.

Stuart Pearson

2004-02-04 19:22:36 UTC

Post by John Stevenson
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:19:30 +0000 (UTC), Peter A Forbes

I shifted that 2E from the college move and I reckon it went in at about a
ton and a quarter, definitely over 1 ton.
A big problem with Hiabs is the operator, they stick the boom out and
expect it lift everything going.
The main lift in a hiab is the first ram / jib assembly, you need to get
this as vertical as possible to get the radius from the post to the end of
the first jib as short as possible.
Instead of operating with the boom stuck out you need to get the jibs in an
inverted vee shape or '^' for max lift.
Hiabs are rated in tons lift but not so apparent is the rating which is one
metre from the post so a 7 ton hiab will lift 7 tons at one metre,. Most
times not a lot of good as one metre is usually still inboard the truck
given that usual truck widths are 8'
The 2E from Beeston college went to a local company near here. Most of the
machines from that move had all the manuals and documentation with them.
If this was the case with the 2E then the book will have gone direct to the
owner, I only moved the machine.
I can check during the week and if they have these I'm sure I can borrow
them for scanning.
--
Regards,
John Stevenson
Nottingham, England.

I just wanted to publicly thanks John for his efforts it scanning the manual
and then posting me a CD of the resultant PDF. Above and beyond the call of
duty.

Stuart

Stuart Pearson

2004-01-21 14:59:33 UTC

Thankyou so far for your infomation. If I was to remove the table, the ram
etc. how much weight do think we could loose without spend much more than an
hour taking it apart.

Stuart

Post by Mark Rand
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:36:21 -0000, "Stuart Pearson"

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=632&item=23716790

Post by Stuart Pearson
Kindest Regards,
Stuart

Jesus! looks like he photographed it down a cellar with the lights out!! :-))
After a liberal dose of Paint Shop Pro I can see that it is very close to our
machine. We took the table off (four studs/bolts in the centre of the table, 2
in front and 2 at back) and lifted the table off, the drive for the power feed
runs up the middle of the knee IIRC, so it was quite an easy bit to take off.
The ram is another chunk as is the support casting.
I have a copy manual somewhere here that was kindly supplied by A. N. Other
cynical trader, (NOT J.S. for the record) I'll ferret it out and check to see
what weight is quoted if any.
.... and there is nought.
However, I do have a 1ES copy manual, and that quotes the smaller and lighter
1ES at 870kg to 936kg depending on model and equipment fitted, so you can reckon
that the 2ES is going to be 5cwt or so more than that, so your man might be
closer than we think... :-)) I don't think 1.5 tons, but certainly just over
the ton and a bit.
Peter

John Stevenson

2004-01-21 15:39:20 UTC

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:59:33 -0000, "Stuart Pearson"

Post by Stuart Pearson
Thankyou so far for your infomation. If I was to remove the table, the ram
etc. how much weight do think we could loose without spend much more than an
hour taking it apart.
Stuart

Guestimate that will take it to about the ton mark, give or take the odd
kilo <g>

Post by Stuart Pearson

Post by Mark Rand
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:36:21 -0000, "Stuart Pearson"

Post by Stuart Pearson
Thanks for that Peter, the gentleman with the HIAB is some what

insistant

Post by Stuart Pearson
that it is more in the region on one and a half ton. Which seems very

heavy

Post by Stuart Pearson
to me, would you be able to have a look at the machine on ebay and say

Post by Stuart Pearson
you think it is a similar machine yours. The listing can be found at

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=632&item=23716790

Post by Stuart Pearson
Kindest Regards,
Stuart

The obvious thing to do is to remove the arm, the arbour, the table, the

knee

Post by Mark Rand
and possibly the motor. hopefully the individual bits will be easily

liftable

Post by Mark Rand
with the HIAB. putting it back together could probably be done with a

good

Post by Mark Rand
engine hoist and a lot of ingenuity/wood blocks.
Good price ;-)>
Mark Rand
RTFM

Jesus! looks like he photographed it down a cellar with the lights out!!

:-))

Post by Peter A Forbes
After a liberal dose of Paint Shop Pro I can see that it is very close to

our

Post by Peter A Forbes
machine. We took the table off (four studs/bolts in the centre of the

table, 2

Post by Peter A Forbes
in front and 2 at back) and lifted the table off, the drive for the power

feed

Post by Peter A Forbes
runs up the middle of the knee IIRC, so it was quite an easy bit to take

off.

Post by Peter A Forbes
The ram is another chunk as is the support casting.
I have a copy manual somewhere here that was kindly supplied by A. N.

Other

Post by Peter A Forbes
cynical trader, (NOT J.S. for the record) I'll ferret it out and check to

see

Post by Peter A Forbes
what weight is quoted if any.
.... and there is nought.
However, I do have a 1ES copy manual, and that quotes the smaller and

lighter

Post by Peter A Forbes
1ES at 870kg to 936kg depending on model and equipment fitted, so you can

reckon

Post by Peter A Forbes
that the 2ES is going to be 5cwt or so more than that, so your man might

Post by Peter A Forbes
closer than we think... :-)) I don't think 1.5 tons, but certainly just

over

Post by Peter A Forbes
the ton and a bit.
Peter

--
Regards,

John Stevenson
Nottingham, England.

Peter Smith

2023-02-12 22:03:14 UTC

Bit of a long shot here! But do you still have available the scanned copy of the Adcock Shipley 2E mill? I use one at Amberley Museum in Sussex and we really could do with one as ours came without any documentation way back. Came across this post whilst doing one of my regular internet searches for manuals for the machines we have. Thanks, Peter

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Mark McGrath

2004-01-19 23:57:22 UTC

I would think that being a No 2 machine it will be near 1.5 tons.A
Bridgeport weighs about a ton and there`s not a lot of metal in
it.Even then it can`t be much of a Hiab that`s trying to lift it.Ask
Landfleet Services in Leicester for a price,I don`t have his number
here but can get it if you want it.He can handle up to 8 tons.
regards,Mark.

Stuart Pearson

2004-01-23 18:46:09 UTC